ID cards back to the Lords yet again

Public Whip says:

“Should the Identity Cards Bill be given a third reading (and, thus, finish its stages in the House of Commons and be passed to the House of Lords)?”

The Aye-voters won by 309 to 284 with 4 tellers.

All of the 309 apart from two being Labour MPs (even with 25 rebelling). So it’s being sent back to the Lords. Where it will probably be rejected again, and then we will have Charles Clarke waving his willy and be told how it’s an Appalling Affront to Democracy, given that the country has clearly said that New Labour should be allowed to pass whatever bills they want. That’s how Democracy works, you know.

What is there to say really? Just the usual.

  • scum
  • bastards
  • fuckers
  • duplicitous scoundrels
  • Guy Fawkes had the right idea
  • etc.

“My” MP wasn’t even there.

On the other hand, at least their majority was reduced even further this time.


  1. groc Said,

    October 20, 2005 @ 1:13 am

    any mp that thinks id cards are a good thing are either: seriously retarded and stupid (and therefore shouldn’t be an MP) or know something we don’t and so obviously are deeply, deeply evil and up to no good (and therefore shouldn’t be an MP under any circumstances) or both (and need to be taken out and shot for the safety of everyone in the country).

  2. w7 Said,

    October 20, 2005 @ 1:31 pm

    While we waste so much time arguing privacy violations with ID cards, we are all trackable down to the last step we make, and the last condom or bottle of Gin we buy, thanks to cell phones, CCTV, store loyalty cards, and so forth. Hardly anyone has issues here, so what the f* is the big deal with ID cards?

    They cost money to introduce (bad). They will be introduced for the wrong reasons (ID cards will solve neither terrorism nor illegal immigration issues). No big deal otherwise.

    Most European countries have an ID card scheme; I fail to see how they would be evil. Unnecessary maybe, but all the energy, time and money wasted nationwide on the discussion alone… Get a move, people! Back to work! Generate revenue and enjoy life!

  3. fridgemagnet Said,

    October 20, 2005 @ 1:36 pm

    Stop whining and enjoy your iPods!

    If they cost money and don’t do anything, why have them at all? And I think you may be unfamiliar with the consolidated database issue here.

  4. w7 Said,

    October 20, 2005 @ 5:02 pm

    I am vaguely familiar, just as I am vaguely familiar with data warehousing and data mining. I can’t see why one should be worse than the other. Maybe I should get an iPod?

  5. fridgemagnet Said,

    October 21, 2005 @ 5:00 pm

    You should definitely get an iPod, they’re brill. I just got a new one.

    There’s quite a lot on the No2ID thing about problems with the proposed database system (which is not the same as exists in other countries with ID cards) – they undoubtedly do it better than I would in a few comments here.